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Yamaha Dt 250 1978 Spark Plug problem

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Replied by MarkT on topic Yamaha Dt 250 1978 Spark Plug problem


Hardening steel requires the metal to reach, at minimum, red hot temperatures. Temperatures above the melting point of most aluminum alloys. Also, the "cool mist" of fuel would ignite in the presence of a red hot side electrode... well before the carefully timed spark. (This is called "preignition".) The spark itself? Flea power in term of relative heat production. Again, if you are getting the side electrode up to hardening temperatures, you have a lot more problems to worry about than possibly hardening the side electrode.

As far as carbon not burning off the top of the piston? Correct because under normal conditions the temperature of the piston doesn't get up to the temperatures required to harden steel or burn off carbon.

But as far as carbon not burning off? Sell that idea to the thousands of people who have used a torch or even a barbeque to clean years of carbon out of the exhaust system. At "heat treat" temperatures, carbon does burn off.

I get it. You are afraid to re-gap a used plug because of a blog you read on the Internet (and are trying to "prove" what your read with "facts" that really don't apply.)

I'm not trying to change your mind. Believe what you want.

Back to the original poster's problem... one thought that comes to mind is the possibility of "counterfeit" NGK spark plugs. They are out there. I hope we get to see a picture of the plugs that are fouling.
1963 YG1-T, 1965 MG1-T, Allstate 250, 1970 CT1b, 1971 R5, 1973 AT3MX, 1974 TS400L, 1975 RD350, 1976 DT175C, 1976 Husqvarna 250CR, 1981 DT175G, 1988 DT50, 1990 "Super" DT50, 1991 RT180, 2017 XT250
12 Nov 2014 21:41 #21
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Replied by bluntz465 on topic Yamaha Dt 250 1978 Spark Plug problem

Oddly enough I have never tried to burn carbon off my grill so thanks for the tip I was tired of scraping it
carbons melting temp is around 10,000 deg..lol but will turn into gas at a lower temp,4000 deg...yea.
But yea plugs do indeed get 1500 deg and I have seen some that had melted. Even seen some the ceramic had melted.

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NGK has fought for years with quenching of the electrode and I thought this was the problem.I suppose it is not the same thing.It's all good I have been wrong before and may be wrong again because I read "something on the internet"
1957 Cushman Eagle 1969 Honda 90 ATC 1969 Honda CB250
1973 Yamaha AT3 1974 Kawasaki KH440 1974 Honda XR75
1975 Suzuki TS75 1975 Kawasaki GreenStreak 90 1975 Suzuki GT550
1975 Suzuki TS250 1976 Suzuki GT550 1976 Indian Chief
1976 Yamaha YZ80 1978 Yamaha IT175 1980 Suzuki GS550
1982 Yamaha IT465J
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12 Nov 2014 22:10 #22
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12 Nov 2014 22:25 #23
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The spark plugs i generally use from 2 different seller with no difference in the result





12 Nov 2014 22:26 #24

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Spark plug cap, now that i look at it up close im wondering, is it really the original ?


Tried to start the bike and it started and died. Checked and no spark. I scraped some carbon on the sides to see if it would jump to the side to make sure that the spark plug wasnt working and that it wasnt only because its not really clean. Last time i checked it it looked better than this. It ran about 3 hours with this plug before she went.


Managed to find the old plug the bike came with... It was laying in the bottom of my dirty toolbox so keep that in mind, it was probably not that dirty when i put it in there
its a BPR6ES ?!?


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Another plug i tried. Cant manage to find the Bosh i tried as well.
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Replied by bluntz465 on topic Yamaha Dt 250 1978 Spark Plug problem

get rid of the resistor plugs and cap,screw the fcc.they mandated resistor plugs,you dont need them with points.
champions are trash put the ngk b7es back in it
1957 Cushman Eagle 1969 Honda 90 ATC 1969 Honda CB250
1973 Yamaha AT3 1974 Kawasaki KH440 1974 Honda XR75
1975 Suzuki TS75 1975 Kawasaki GreenStreak 90 1975 Suzuki GT550
1975 Suzuki TS250 1976 Suzuki GT550 1976 Indian Chief
1976 Yamaha YZ80 1978 Yamaha IT175 1980 Suzuki GS550
1982 Yamaha IT465J
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12 Nov 2014 22:38 #27
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This is not a solid test because the bike didnt run for days before i tried to start it.
Today i cranked it once and it started, well it fired, and then on the next kick no life so i checked and i had no spark.
It had spark when i put it there because i parked it on its own power.
If i have a chance tomorow im going to install a new plug and run it until she dies and take pictures as soon as she dies.

So it is a resistor cap ?
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12 Nov 2014 22:39 #28
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Replied by MarkT on topic Yamaha Dt 250 1978 Spark Plug problem

If those are counterfeits they look pretty good. The ones I saw had the printing crooked on the porcelain.

On the new NGK plugs does one of the flats on the hex part have a small lot number stamped into it? All "real" NGK's have this feature.
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12 Nov 2014 22:47 #29
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All the NGK plugs in the pictures have the stamp you are talking about. Ive just checked and they do have it. But the numbers and letters change from 1 plug to the other. Im guessing thats normal.
12 Nov 2014 22:56 #30
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