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Is this cush drive a concern?

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What should I do about this cush drive issue? Does it just need new rubber or something else? How bad is this to ride around?

1971 Yamaha AT1 fully restored. 
18 Jul 2021 11:00 #1

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Replied by MarkT on topic Is this cush drive a concern?

You didn't show the outside...  is the snap ring in place?
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Replied by JayB on topic Is this cush drive a concern?

Everything is tight early in its life, but with use things seem to loosen up.

I bought these ring shims from McMaster-Carr: www.mcmaster.com/catalog/97022a409  and installed one behind the circlip to reduce the play.  I only needed one, but they came in a pack of 5.

The inside diameter (ID) of the ring shim is only 2 inches, but the OD of the hub is 52 MM, a little larger.  I ground or filed the inside of the ring shim until it fit on the hub. Then I installed the snap ring.

 

 
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Replied by RT325 on topic Is this cush drive a concern?

Gotta be careful shimming them up too tight but won't be a problem if its straight side movement. They mostly wear on the cast hub extension so shimming puts load on the circlip as the sprocket tries to twist--sort of--rather than straight forward & back inline movement. Check the circlip too as they wear above the groove with constant movement for 50 years--wear where the sprocket carrier rubs on it. Grab the sprocket like you grab a steering wheel & see how much rocking it has. My AT1 looked terrible with the big farm sprocket but never lost the chain with the guide keeping it on. Nowdays as a 175 & a very small sprocket it doesn't look so bad haha.
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Looks like the circlip is there. 

What is everyone doing to fix this type of issue?
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Replied by RT325 on topic Is this cush drive a concern?

I guess no easy cure. New hub & sprocket carrier!!. The idea was doomed from the start. First DT1 had it right with the sprocket carrier running on its own bearing & was all downhill from there. Could measure the wear on both hub & carrier & calculate the difference then go get something to fill the gap. Whatever you roll up out of shim sheet its gonna be fiddly to hold it around the hub & feed the sprocket carrier over it. First bit of the hub out past the circlip is unworn & bigger of course. Maybe a "Speedy Sleeve" come to think of it, split it & fit over. I've never used one but would be great if they come in dimensions you need although i gather they're very thin--or do they come in various thicknesses? anyone?--i don't know.
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Replied by Rick C. on topic Is this cush drive a concern?

Had this problem back in the 80's, but parts were cheaper then.
Bite the bullet and get this..

NOS YAMAHA DAMPER AT1M DT125C AT3 DT175B 248-25364-00 OEM
Buy It Now
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Replied by RT325 on topic Is this cush drive a concern?

Be interesting to know the inside diameter of that new one compared to yours plus original outside diameter of a new hub. Wonder if that info is out there somewhere.
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Replied by Rick C. on topic Is this cush drive a concern?

William , the part number248-25364-00-00 is the same as stock.
Shims will work for a little while. I made one outta a soda can I cut open and flattened. ( mine was a 69 AT1M )
But after a bit, the wear on riding it that way...the rubber just gives out .
I.E - the sprocket will spin through the gears.. and the rear wheel will not.
And we all know , pushing a bike is no FUN !
Got one of those parts and never had that problem again.
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Replied by Mothersbaugh on topic Is this cush drive a concern?

"Got one of those parts and never had that problem again."

I agree. I put one on a 69 AT1-E to replace the one the PO had siliconed in place to make sure it never moved, By Jove.
No problems yet. Well, cleaning out all the silicone from the hub was a bitch, but since then, I mean...
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