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DT175 with crank shim missing, how to measure replacement?

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I might also be "talking rubbish" but the ones with only one shim always have it on the left  RIGHT (clutch) side.  

And if I've forgotten to install it, crank wheel rubs the case when nut is tightened.  

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Last edit: 10 Feb 2022 19:30 by MarkT.
10 Feb 2022 16:00 #11

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Right side Mark unless ya standing on your head--or doesn't that change it either lol.
Edit, sorry its been mentioned above.
Last edit: 10 Feb 2022 18:40 by RT325.
10 Feb 2022 18:36 #12

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Fixed it.  Thanks guys!  

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  Been a long week. 
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I don't see how the gearnut keeps things in place. Apart from the bearing sitting tight in the seating it would be possible to travel out, for whatever reason.
It will only be stopped by the other side of the crank case. That is also where I see the reason to have the shim fitted. So it can't move over too far.
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Ok, true i guess. If the bearing wasn't super tight in the right side & could move over--then you're convincing me. So is it better to have a left side shim possibly spinning & doing nothing but ready & waiting incase of movement. Could calculate the shim to exact thickness but need to be spot on as don't want bearings preloaded sideways. If you get close to perfect with a shim, then a tap on the right side might move it to the left that fraction to set the left shim tight & might stay there but once again depends how tight fit in the case the right bearing is to be able to move it all with a light tap on the crank.
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OK, done some work and measuring. First I've put the bearings in place. (and no, the clutch side bearing wasn't super tight and in my opinion is at risk of moving)
The overall distance between bearings would be 57.30mm. The crank is 55.92mm (is within limits). That leaves a gap to fill of 1.38mm.

The existing shim on the clutch end is 0.6mm.
The shim for the other side can not be bigger than 0.78mm.
But being not completely sure I guess I will try to find 0.6mm shim stock and make one to fit.
Does this sound like the way to go or am I missing something here?
19 Feb 2022 05:01 #17

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I am fairly certain the factory spec for the dimensions between the bearings is 56mm +.05 -.010  Very hard to measure that dimension.

I don't remember you mentioning you had any shims?  It's very common to only have a shim on the clutch side. Does not mean you are "missing" a shim.  The parts manual designation "U.R." means "use as required".

If it has shims on one or both sides they are always thin.  Later models had no shims (the very next model year). 

If it was mine, I'd put it together only with the shim you have.  Adding a thick shim might be a mistake.

Install crank into clutch bearing and tighten nut.  Use crank puller to pull crank into ignition bearing when assembling cases. Done.



 
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I was not fully awake when I responded this morning...  not unusual. 

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I don't know why I wrote "adding a thick shim"....  I meant to say "Adding a SECOND shim might be a mistake?"
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"I was not fully awake when I responded this morning...  not unusual."

I have to keep on telling myself NOT to post any replies until after I've had my second coffee of the morning! 

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