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CT1C running hot

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Hi again fellows. CT1C project going well with new clutch, and top end.
But we noticed that engine is really hot. This is concerning.
Airscrew is only 1/4 turn out
IdleScrew is almost all the way in.
50:1 gas oil
Not a lot of smoke

Any ideas?
24 Sep 2020 14:52 #1

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Replied by 1971DT250 on topic CT1C running hot

I have a CT1C running with the oil pump. I believe the autolube varies from about 40:1 at slow speed to 16:1 at high speed. Plus I like mine with a slightly higher fuel to air ratio. Mine smokes some. I don't think 50:1 premix is enough oil.
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Replied by Pete-RT1 on topic CT1C running hot

I agree 50:1 is too light on oil.
Look at it this way, too much oil and at worse you'll foul a plug, too little and you could seize the engine.
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Replied by PDXtyist on topic CT1C running hot

Ok Pete and 1971DT250. Much appreciate your input. I’ll increase the oil ratio. I pulled the plug and it looked super dry and smelled “burned”. I don’t believe it’s an air leak as the crank seals are new. Perhaps an air leak vicinity of cylinder. I’ll investigate.
But I think you two are correct.
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Replied by asco on topic CT1C running hot


Try 32/1 and 1 1/4 turns out and see if the bike runs cooler, - better or worse. You could run it the other way ( perhaps not on the break-in of the fresh top end later ---- if you so desire to )....
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Replied by MarkT on topic CT1C running hot

Just curious on how you are determining it's running hot and under what conditions it's happening?
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Replied by Pedalcrazy on topic CT1C running hot

I run a Trailtech TTO temp gauge on all my bikes for piece of mind. Get the 14mm version that mounts under the spark plug to read head temp. I watch the temp as I ride and give it a rest if it gets up much over 325 to 335. A long pull at highway speed might see 350.
A little slow riding and idle time and they get back under 300. These are Dt400 and Rt360 bikes. I assume the smaller bikes are similar. The temp gauge costs about $50 but nice piece of mind.
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Replied by apex on topic CT1C running hot

The ratio of mix depends on what oil you are using. If you're using a full synthetic you'll want to get into the 40-50:1 range, especially if you're not riding WOT everywhere. If you're running a petroleum, or castor, or some other base premix then you may need to be at lower number than 40:1. If I premix Redline 2Stroke Racing, a full synthetic, I go between 45-50:1. Never had a problem in 20 years at this ratio but I'm also not a pro roadracer/MX'er.

Also...more oil in the mix = less fuel and leans out the mixture. Have to keep that in mind. That's why oil pumps are awesome.

Running hot...have you had a 2 stroke air cooled street bike before? What exactly is hot? I don't mean to be flip but everyone has an opinion of what hot is. My buddy who has a '72 360 has complained for 3 years that his pipe is too hot and has to wear jeans, and I just laugh...his bike is tuned perfect, it is what it is.

Usually...a legitimate "running hot" issue is retarded timing, lean condition, or air leak, or a combination of any of these three.
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Replied by darinm on topic CT1C running hot

Amen to what Pedalcrazy said about the Trailtech, though I push mine to 390 with no issues. At that temp I pull over and cut the engine off. It's amazing how fast these two strokes go up and down in temp compared to even an air cooled 4 stroke like the XT225.
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Replied by MarkT on topic CT1C running hot

Always remember that the CHT will build slowly... so on an unknown set up you can blow up before the temp gauge reacts.

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On a well-tuned 175, not uncommon for me to see 400 F. 450 F I'm getting a little careful depending on throttle/load/speed... I have seen over 500 F on a well-tuned engine under full throttle, heavy load, and high speed (80+ mph in deep sand) No ill effects at all.

I have also seized engines at under 400 F. Last one happened at just over 300 F. Full throttle uphill run and suddenly went lean. I heard it before the temp gauge registered. Backed off and pulled the clutch... Trail Tech temp gauge kept climbing with bike parked. Luckily it was a soft seize and was able to ride a few miles home after letting it cool. Did need to replace the piston on that one though.
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